Got your attention yet?
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Is that the fear of gays in the military? That raving queens will join and affect force capabilities? Nobody's heard bitching when bull dikes are bosuns mates or tank mechanics. Do you really think the old fashioned, raving, drag queens are chomping at the bit to wear those drab desert camos? Gay Eye for the Sailor Guy? I don't think so.
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I wish they'd throw it open so we can get on with killing people and breaking things to protect our country!!
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Pentagon revises 'don't ask, don't tell' discharge procedures
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, gays in the military are NOT a threat if they'll do their job. If they don't do their job or cause trouble, kick them out just like STRAIGHTS who don't do their job or who cause trouble.
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And yes I know the argument that they'll say it's because they are guy.
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You'd have to build a case for discharging a straight person too!! Where's the difference? I remind anyone who would still listen, that these same arguments were used to keep blacks and women out of the service. The country didn't fall apart and we've not lost a war because of their admittance. And I say that as someone who thinks women should NOT be admitted!
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Schteveo
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If you see comments from Cavpilot67 over at Fox, that would be urs truly.
Most of the comments for this legislation seem to be that homos should be able to stand around the watercooler sharing their love life with the rest of the guys. "It's unfair that we can't discuss the ones we love with the rest of the guys." My favorite comments is that "they are already there."
Quite honestly, when I was part of the green machine I was oppossed to openness and I still am.
I really don't think that it is anybody's business who you are sticking your p***r into regardless of your leaning.
The fact that "they are already there" proves that DADT works. Those that want to serve can, those that want to make a spectacle of themselves can not.
A major issue that will have to be addressed is gay marriage. This whole thing is a backdoor method of forcing states to accept it. Until all states recognize it there will be limits on where homo couples can be assigned. Not quite fair to the rest of the military.
But once this is forced down the military's throat, I wonder how much of a run there will be for guys to be assigned to the women's barracks. It's only fair.
I can understand Steves point of view, but Alan also makes a good point. One of the problems with gay activism is that they don't stop pushing even when they get what they want. We've seen this happen time after time. Allowing gays to serve openly is only the beginning. They will take the decision to allow them to serve as an "official and total acceptance" of their life style. Their demands will not stop there. Personally, i think the decision should be left up to active service members. Let them vote on it (in secret) and let their decision stand.
I just wonder what will happen to the military parades.
Does thith gunnypoo make my butt look big?
I think we need to acthetherize these dwab uniforms. A little color sthpruth it up.
Window tweatments would be thuch a nithe touch and make it tho homey!
Thpeaking of homey, where did Cap't Bwuce go to?
Ith that a bazooka in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Can we have disco night?
Schteveo - you say you served on a navy ship - tight quarters & no privacy in the heads...think about the guy who has to climb up to his bunk putting his "stuff" just inches away from your face as he does so..now think of him as gay with the hots for you...of course if you like him you can just shower with him during water hours.....
I am really, really good at camouflage
I'll Drive
"Most of the comments for this legislation seem to be that homos should be able to stand around the watercooler sharing their love life with the rest of the guys."
alan,
do you stand around with the single guys and listen to that shit on Monday morning!? Or the listen to the married cheaters whenever? (the two loudest braggarts of such shit to my experience)
NO, you don't put up with it.
You make them keep to themselves, have them tone it down, and they get told to move it down the hall, away from polite company. No one wants to hear about their prowess, conquests or the mechanics of where, how long, or how often they got to stick their p***r.
At least that's what the middle and senior enlisted, and junior officers, did when I was in. If that changed, shame on those in charge.
And why is talk of HOMOSEXUAL crap from the same type evening or weekend any different?!
And since when are pro-homo Commenters considered knowledgeable experts on the military or more than blowhards on this kind of topic? (yeah, blowhards) Most commenters everywhere will be NON-veterans, most with an axe to grind. Fuck them, lets talk to veterans, and I'm betting this would go differently than you think based on my two sons opinions of what it's like where most gays will serve.
At the bottom, in non-decision making levels. With damned little power to make policy for other gays.
(yeah, I said bottom too)
They come from a generation much more accepting of gays. So what?
My grandfather questioned MY serving with blacks. Same questions mostly too.
As if I could have been turned black. Can people be turned gay? That one I've always seriously doubted.
As to gay marriage, I'm against it. There's no way to propagate that family. And I have religious belief in both marriage and propagation.
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Spider,
but what's the next possible demand? Free, taxpayer gay videos? Tax funded sex clubs? Tax funded cross dressing clothes?
They've already demanded to be equal to married, jobbed, voting, live anywhere, schooled anywhere, childrended people.
What else is there to demand?
Anon,
it's odd that you went there and here's why.
My first ship was the U.S.S. Elliott, DD-967. I was a engineering type, a GSE3, and slept in engineering berthing space. Back then, and still to a great degree, there are never enough engineers. (too dirty, hot too much old fashioned technology, not enough AC, chairs and computers for most young folks now) Low numbers meant that we always had open racks.
My first rack, as a FNG, was a top rack. The center rack was occupied by a MS1 (a cook, senior to me) who WAS gay, queer, semi-flaming, almost cross dresser. (he was always quite 'pretty' when he hit the beach) He hung with several other limp wristed sailors, at a gay bar near 32nd Street Base.
My cock must have gone past him a thousand times, I showered, shit and shaved next to him a thousand times, if HE or ANY OTHER gay sailor, there or elsewhere, ever looked cross-eyed at me, I didn't see it. (...yes, I have been hit on elsewhere...by both girls and guys...I'm not a hunch backed troll, dammit)
I never served in any Navy bases where there were NOT gay sailors. I was never approached by them, nor did I ever hear of anyone being approached, harassed or "rear ended" by them, who wasn't looking that way. I don't know of one singular situation where they were reprimanded for their "gayness" or for not doing their job.
Are you that threatened by gay advances? What's your reaction to WOMEN coming on to you? Helpless, reckless abandon? Throw the old fly open and go for i?
Or do you say, "..no thanks, I've got a wife / girlfriend / live in lover / etc. So, sorry babe, keep trolling."
Is it impossible to tell a gay person the same thing? Or are you worried about more reckless abandon?
The flip side is that I left the Navy because of a lifer dog, alcoholic, hetero, wife beating, philandering asshole, Warrant Officer whom I refused to party with, and buy booze for, or find women for. (that was the only way to stay on his good side) To me, his type is a hell of a lot more dangerous than some one willing to give a blow job, while getting the same.
cooks sleeping with engineers - now that is un-natural
blue,
I thought so too. I'd rather have had girls in there than cooks!
Late response, been busy getting ready to change jobs again...
My point about "standing around the watercooler" was based on the comments of that thread.
You are absolutely correct that any of that kind of BS talk needs to be moved. The misperception that my adversaries seem to have is that that is what soldiers do all morning on Monday, is talk about what they did that weekend.
I will still stand that DADT works just find. It does not cause undo hardship on anyone. It does not exclude anyone whose prime motivation is service. Are there gays in the service, you bet. ARe there heteros who can be mistaken for gay due to the their personality or expressive characteristics? sure (I made a very scary "lady-boy" during a skit in Thailand.)
Being gay should not be a defining characteristic. Reality is, it is a defining characteristic to unit cohesion.
The difference I see between your Navy experience and my Army experience is that you might have shared facilities and bunks, but you didn't necessarily work together as well. Soldiers in the field spend 24/7 together. 100% trust is a necessity.
Even in the Service support realm there are female truck drivers who have issues with certain male co-drivers because of the way they act towards them and vice versa....when you throw in a 3rd of 4th dynamic it creates even more problems.
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