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Let's start off with Mr. Excitement up there. I'm guessing he needs a seven letter word for either an anal orrifice, or a half-caste leader of the free world.
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But we need to see just how important Mr. Obama thinks HIS time is...after all, HE'S THE PRESIDENT!!
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And after six, whole, long, total BS hours of useless grandstanding, the Dems are going back to reconciliation.
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But regardless of what these goofballs want or think we need, even CNN has a poll saying most of us don't want the fish they're peddling!! I'll not hold my breath until they begin to do what we want.
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Schitizen Schteveo
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yomamabahamarama is merely trying to save face. an arrogant, ignaorant, glib, face.
BTW I've tried tracking down our old friend, and ...
yomamabahamarama is merely trying to save face. an arrogant, ignaorant, glib, face.
BTW I've tried tracking down our old friend, and ...
If you wish to DISCUSS something El Trollo, I'll discuss, argue, whatever. But just attacking me is done.
As I said days ago, if you've got time to write 'em, I got time to delete 'em if all you have is attack ads.
I think it's very pertinent to point out that someone who is getting Medicare, a government-run health care plan, is highly critical of efforts to make health care available to his fellow citizens.
It's appalling. Disgusting.
So tell us, when did you start getting that nice, society-supported, health care? How old were you? Why do you want to keep others from getting it?
Annie never deleted posts. You've become a little Nazi who can't stand the heat.
Your punishment is having to live with your hypocrisy.
"BTW I've tried tracking down our old friend, and ..."
And what? And which old friend are you talking about, our MIA mommy?
As for that "big deal" summit, it was all bullshit, as predicted. Obviously, the point behind it was to try and get the Repubs on board with something, anything. Had they fell for that cheap trick, Obummer would have had them "standing in front of the fan" when his plan went sideways and the public freaked out. Apparently, the Repubs are not as dumb as i thought they were.
From the begining, you could see the half-breed was going to be his usual arrogant self. You could cleary see the disdain he has for the Repubs and anyone else who dares disagree with him.
OK, let's try this again...my answer to my "disgusting" life, and my hypocrisy.
PART 1:
See here's how it works, now that you've finally asked a question that wasn't completely masked as a shot at me, I'll talk with you. And just for the record, she did delete Troll attacks.
Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to yell, "Lazy, FAT ASS", in a crowded blog.
I originally got sick in April of 1992. I had payed into Cal. Disability for 6 months and they refused to pay me anything, because I got sick THREE DAYS after I left California. That right there started the ball rolling badly. My disability insurance that I'd payed for, and was counting on in case of illness or injury, was denied!!
Even though my original diagnosis was most likely tied to Valley Fever that I got working in the oil fields in California, I got axed. I didn't work, and didn't make any money and spent every dime of savings I had, from April, until the following January, when I felt good enough to go back to work, with the help of tons of steroids. I gained almost 150 pounds, because of the rotating steroids, over the next 18 months.
I had the opportunity over the next 4 1/2 years to work all over the country. I had two ,long term bouts of returns of my illness over that time. Both of them came after extended business trips to California. But my health continued to go down. I finally had to leave that job, because I just didn't have the strength to work 60 and 70 hours a week.
But I had a problem, it's called pre-existing condition. I wasn't sick enough for Cal. Disability to pay me, but I was too sick to get any NEW disability insurance after that first 9 month illness!!
I left that job, went back to school, got my A+ Cert and started working on my MCSE. I had a series of computer jobs, but lost two of those because of the illness.
Finally, I could not tell an employer that I'd be there 40 hrs a week, I was sick too often. So I started my own company so I could control my own hours. I had some early success but a trip to KY to work the Kentucky Derby Festival broke my back financially. I was promised 17 days work and I 3 hired people, payed for hotel rooms, food, etc and we all went to KY. The guy overbooked help and we worked one day and he cut me loose.
Overnight I was almost $10K down with no way to recoup it. I did some small jobs back here in NC, but in order to pay my debts, and my people, I had to sell my eqpt. That left me broke, with no way to earn any money, but I still had my mortgage and monthly bills to cover. 46 days after that eqpt sold, my wife lost her job, it got outsourced.
My primary care Dr had been trying to get me to apply for disability for 3 years at that point. So long as I could work or so long as my wife was working, we did not file for the disability, we did everything BUT file originally. But with NO income and NO way to get my medical treatment, I had no choice. We still need to live indoors, eat and have my medical care. B jut getting the SSD wasn't easy.
Overall, it took 29 months, two different lawyers, 6 doctors from UNC Hospital System, a new and CORRECT diagnosis of my illness, and two SSA hearings to get my disability approved. But that happened a year after we had to file for bankruptcy, walked away from our home and my VA certificate that helped us get that home, our car was repossessed, and we literally had nowhere to live for a week. In 16 months we went from low 6 figure combined incomes to NO INCOME.
SEE PART 2 BELOW
PART 2
My disability was approved in 2003, I was 49 years old, we had no home, no vehicle and we were living with my retired parents, relying on them for a home and food. We'd spent our last $3753 on COBRA so I could get my medial treatment. But after the money was gone, I went 5 months with no medical help. That was the worst time of all. Without my meds I have trouble walking and standing. I have fibromyalgia. I also have severe arthritis in my back and legs. I had to have help in and out of bed, in and out of the shower, help in the shower, help with the PAPER WORK post taking a crap. Without my meds, I'm all but an invalid.
Since then, I've tried 3 times to start businesses so I could get of this freaking check, it's just not my idea of how a grown man should exist. I'm still trying, part of the problem I'm having finding a place to move to, is that I NEED shop space so I can start a computer or small engine shop or something to make money.
As to the Medicare.
My wife has BCBS. And if I wasn't FORCED by the law to declare the Medicare I wouldn't. But all, in all, last year being the MOST I've ever had to use that, they spent $1647 on me. They took $1156.80 out of my SSD checks for Medicare Part B, which again, I am FORCED by the law to keep because of the type of illness I have.
If you subtract the amount of Federal Income Tax my wife pays the Government from what I get every month. I net about $400 from the taxes of people OTHER than my wife. Personally, I'll be glad to go back to MAKING money and paying taxes. I hate this life.
As to your attacks, saying I want to deny other people what I get, that's horse crap. I've never talked about denying anyone, anything. I think the system needs to be overhauled, not run by the government, that's all I've said. There are answers to the problems we have in this country, single payer ain't it!!. I simply disagree with the ideas that Mr Obama, Mr Reid and Ms Pelosi espouse.
There it is, my story, with dates, facts and medical history, as you asked for, WHY am I drawing SSD. You've gotten personal intel these people here didn't have. Then again, because they are my friends, they never asked or made fun of me.
I can guarantee you right now, if your answer to this story is insults, name calling or some other bullshit like that. I'll delete every post you make after this. You asked me a question, I answered your inquiry, be civil and debate the issues at hand.
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There's no debate, my friend. Your story is a sad one, one that many people can tell. I felt for you reading it. Because I'm a liberal.
But your conservatives would have denied you even a penny. Without the government there would be nothing for you but poverty. They fought every program you managed to eventually tap into. They still fight to take the small amount you get away from you.
How anyone with your story can be a conservative is outside the realm of rational thought.
It completely defies logic.
Except that I have seen it many times before. People like you, Jimbo, C-Bug- you see yourselves, your loved ones and even some of your friends as "deserving" of compassion and care. You rationalize your benefits as something you paid for (for 6 months?!) while those "other people" are just leeches.
Sorry, my friend. You are no different than them. They paid too. They need help too. But you'd deny them. Your conservatives would let them suffer.
It's truly awful. An awful way to be. I don't know how you can square your story with your conservatism.
Anon: You are wrong. Most of the people here are the most generous and giving people you will find. It's our common belief that the government forcing anyone to do anything, in particular to pay for others before we can take care of our own families, with our own earings, is disgusting.I personally have spend 15 years of my life doing much volunteer work. I provided another 15 years working and providing healthcare to people in "poor" areas. I have also witnessed the excessive abuses of the government, the "system" and the cheating recipients of these benefits. There is an enormous culture and economy based on stealing from hard-working taxpayors, and anyone who wants to benefit themselves and get out of thesstem is severely punished by that system.
Oh well, it was worth a try.
Anon,
you are so bound up in deciding what we are for or against, that you won't listen. And I didn't just pay my insurance for 6 months, it was 6 months on THAT job, and after that I was barred from getting it. I had always carried it before that. My family has a history of heart trouble, so I always carried insurance, and when I needed it, I was denied, by a damned insurance commissioner.
Pre-existing conditions kept me from ever getting it again and THAT's why I wound up on SSD.
The people that irk me, are the one's who DON'T plan, and then need help.
THAT is how conservatism works.
The ones who get under my skin are the useless humps I've reported for cheating the system, I have such a neighbor now, who don't get investigated or jailed who suck down the system. He's getting SSD, AND doing plumbing work full time. He told me he's had this job 3 years. Here's what I know, there are rules that should apply that he's breaking.
THAT is how conservatism works.
The people working the system who park in Handicap spots, run into the store, use an EBT card, then run back to their Beemer or Caddy, those are the ones who need to go hungry!!
THAT is how conservatism works.
See, I'm not, and as far as I've seen here in the 4 odd years this group has been affiliated, I've not seen any of these people say those who truly need, should be turned away from getting help from the government. But there was a time when churches and civilian organizations did those things, but too many people have overwhelmed ALL the systems. I simply think scammers and cheats need their free services IN JAIL for 1 to 5.
THAT is how conservatism works.
What I don't believe in, is illegal immigrants working 6 months under the radar, then getting SSD. First they shouldn't be here, and therefore have NO RIGHTS to get American Tax Money as subsistence.
THAT is how conservatism works.
Are there conservative who think ALL welfare, SSD, EBT cards, Medicare should disappear? No. People who believe that are generally Libertarians, not Conservatives. I'm not, nor never have been a libertarian, and I'd never consider what you say I'm for, which seems to be, dissolving ALL the help programs. And frankly, I don't think anyone here is advocating that.
We don't think ketchup is a vegetable either. We don't WANT dirty air or water for that matter. Things regularly attributed to conservatives.
Instead of telling people what they do or don't support, why don't you ask?
Anon 6:11pm
Here are some figures on who gives more to charity - liberals or conservatives. Arthur Brooks, now the President of AEI, wrote a book called Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism. In the book, Brooks notes that conservatives give more to charity than liberals. George Will, in a column last year about Brooks’ book, wrote
Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
For years I have paid (1) income taxes (2)Social Security taxes (3) medicare taxes, all withheld from my check. Now at age 72 I still pay Part B premiums of approx $100 per month. I have to pay this whether I want to or not. I now have supplemental insurance. Medicare has a yearly deductible which I would have to pay without the supplemental that I carry. For this I get (1)one physical in my lifetime and no more. It was less expensive for me to carry private insurance but I still pay the monthly medicare part B. My private insurance also covered prescriptions which medicare does not.
Now tell me again who is free=loading.
Steve - just admit that you are an illegal alien - than analmouse will not only approve of your benefits but he will insist that you get more...
Your sob story is sad. Plenty of people have one.
You just want to make sure they don't get helped.
As for not wanting the government to provide help: THAT'S WHERE YOUR INCOME AND HEALTH BENEFITS COME FROM.
Saying conservatives are generous is self-delusion because you awful people can't stand who you are. Your ONE analysis is propaganda.
An analysis of the data shows much of conservative giving to be self-serving (to their church, etc) with religious liberals giving as much to charity. It was the non-religious where the numbers diverge. Non-religious conservatives give the very LEAST. Think the bush fratboy cons.
You don't see anyone having to write a book saying liberals are generous care about the greater good.
Keep taking your government support Steve-O and your Medicare. You're like the guy who pulls up the ladder after he's rescued.
It's appalling.
And AGAIN, I tried, you all saw it, I did what many of you thought was hopeless, but I tried.
Dude(tte), you're delusional. I sat right here and told you what I DO and DO NOT support, and you then told me I was wrong. Listen, it's 1:45 and I've been busy, and haven't had any lunch, am I HUNGRY yet?
You obviously know me better than I know myself, just thought I'd ask.
If anyone wants to delete him / her, you'll have to do it. I opened the door, so I'm hide bound to let him / her stay now.
Delusion is being supported by the generosity of the greater society (government) and thinking that government is the root of all evil.
Steve old buddy, how long will it take you to catch on? It's like paying an extortionist. Not only is there no end to it, but they delight in egging you on and getting you to respond. You will "never" change their mind, such as it is.
OBAMA'S 2012 SLOGANS
“Training wheels are off.”
“I beg of you: Let me be clear!”
“I get it now! Really!”
“Create or save the most important job of all: Mine.”
“You can’t dump me now; I haven’t finished eating my waffle.”
“You don’t want the weirdos in my cabinet loose on the street, do you?”
“This community is still disorganized!”
“All the media says I’m very smart.”
“Time to shoot for B++.”
“I did everything right; you’re just all stupid.”
“Please! They told me if I ever came back to Chicago, they’d break my knees!”
“Didn’t you see how I won in Iraq?”
“I protected you from pirates.”
“Come on! I still haven’t gotten an accomplishment!”
“Have a heart, people; you know how the job market is right now.”
“Think of my children; you know how hard it is for them to have to switch schools. Don’t hate children.”
“Next time I’m talking behind your back to elitists from San Francisco, I’ll say nice things.”
Okay Mr/Ms Liberal, if you are this "compassionate liberal" you espouse to be, why are you attacking someone you perceive as weak rather than coming to his aid? Seems to me if you want to convince someone of you righteousness, you would show how much better your way of thinking is by actions. Remember, you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. (Must be thinking you attract even more with shit)
BTW, I'm still waiting to here your story.
I think this is "HLF" the same guy who showed up right before "Annie" disappeared.
And I have some serious questions about that too. My investigations are..... interesting
Spider,
I did what I did to prove a point, that I don't delete honest discussion. I've given up on changing the mind of anyone over 14, so I had had no illusion that I'd make a difference.
Not delete. Ignore.
We can ignore it too.
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