we start off this week with a trillion dollar bailout of greece. more money being flushed down the socialist toilet. the stock markets will get a bounce again. soon there will be no more hot air to fill all these balloons and the markets will come crashing down
and we have solicitor general elena kagan to be tapped for the supreme court. another position to be filled by someone with no experience, this time judicial. that didn't stop obama from being prez, so maybe it's just because she appears to have the same stylist as janet napolitano. and we all know what a fine choice she has been
and i haven't even had my first cup of coffee this week yet
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All I'm going to say is this, I'm hoarding.
Guns
Ammo
Food
Seed
Camping Gear
AND
$20 Silver Eagles
[paper money may become worthless, but metal will go UP in value]
so such thing as a $20 silver eagle
OK, you're technically correct. [hair splitter] I mean the Silver Eagles, 1 ounce silver, going for around $20 - $25 each. I thought about buying gold coins, but silver seemed a better choice for "daily" use, if it comes to that.
Haven't you conservatives been waiting for Armegeddon since the blacks were freed?
Ridiculously stupid comment, a-hole
Armegeddon WAS when the blacks were freed.
Not according to the last commenter, BOW.
Scratch a conservative, find a racist underneath.
sounds like it is just you speaking out of you arse again
We only plan for Armageddon because we believe in the concept, based on some wacky Biblical stuff.
And then, of course, there's the loathing of all things socialist and controlling in our lives.
Silly us, huh?
I don't believe in Armageddon. But I do believe we're fucked big time.
is it just me, or is there no production...on a world wide basis? Anon? let's hear how you are contributing to production. tell me how a trillion dollars given to greece will help prop up their production and infrastructure so that those who just got raped, I mean, invested blindly, will help the nation of greece, the EU, and the world at large.....
Or are you just going to embarass yourself again with the level of stupidity you've shown thus far?
Let me help you ----
....you just hate black greeks because you stoopid conservatives think they are spending all their time butt banging each other...
...armageddin tired of waitin on the cheese line for goat cheese....
srk,
not enough raw, ignorant hatred in your voice.
The bailout for Greece will simply delay the inevitable. Greece, and the rest of the EU, are in the process of finding out that socialism fails wherever and whenever it's tried. And for the incompetent Marxist in the White House to send them money, at a time when, thanks to his policies, we can't pay our own bills, is an insult to the American people.
Talk Tlak Talk.
Lets cap some ass.
I was just trying to help annon out
I was just trying to help anon out
A stutter you have?
Yes, schteveo, that socialism is a bad thing.
Except when that gubmint disability check arrives in the mail.
Yeah, compare the chicken shit money I get, with bailing out Wall Street and Detroit!! I get about $15K a year, after working for 30 years and paying in.
There are companies that get so much money, that I'd have to live 1000 years, to get a tenth of what they got, and most of them pay ZERO taxes. The guys running those companies, poorly running them might I add, got bonuses that would take me that 1000 years to equal.
Socialism in America isn't about supporting those that need, it's about supporting those who are themselves the problem. Corporate morons and able bodied ass holes scamming for their own greedy intentions are the same to me. It's about supporting further study of cow farts and global warming. It's about paying off the guys that got you elected, out of "government funds". The problem is, there are NO government funds. The funding just comes from tax payers.
But back to my situation while we're discussing taxes. Even though you think I'm scamming, I actually had to PAY taxes last year, just like all honest workers.
So, how is it that I'm a slug, if even my little check puts me in a taxable class? Where's the socialism in my life, if I'm a taxpayer?
I don't begrudge your disability payments.
But you do sound like a liberal, complaining about all the corporate welfare and the way our system bends over backwards to comfort the already comfortable.
Too bad you and the other whiners kept voting republican all these years. Pandering to wealth is a conservative passion. Plutocracy is a republican ideal.
By the way, you didn't work for 30 years before getting disability, you admitted that earlier. And you didn't "pay in" to anything except what we all pay in to which is the taxes we pay to support the social safety net you rely on.
The twist is that not all of us "receive" as you are "receiving" so the system is "socialist", something that you people have fought against since the beginning of time.
Unless, of course, you are the recipients of such socialism.
UH, hello, I started working and paying FICA / Soc Sec, and fed taxes at 14 Anon. I worked as a banquet server and odd jobs at that age and paid taxes on it. I drew my first disability check at 45.
Do.
The.
Math.
Yes we all pay, but NOT by choice. I was denied private disability insurance after being turned down by SSD the first time, so I had no choice but to re-apply to the feds.
Well, ok. I cut grass at 12 but that doesn't mean you paid into the disability fund.
You are receiving money that others are not and most will not. We are giving you our money because you found yourself in need.
Conservatives who receive government money always try and justify it like they "paid into it" so aren't really getting charity or more precisely, welfare from the State.
But they are.
For them to then complain about others receiving help is one of the most unsavory aspects of conservatism.
People who have paid the insurance premiums (in this case, taxes withheld) deserve a return - whereas dumbass jerks who live off the system from birth and who have never paid a GD penny into it, DO NOT.
Is that plain enough for you AnonaMissy or does it need to be stamped into your narrow little forehead with a sledgehammer?
My gawd liberals are idiots. How do you remember to breath, anon?
FYI - I got my Social Security number in 1961 when I was SIX. SIX! (We lived on a ranch - EVERYBODY worked.)
He cut grass....and is apparently still smoking it too. Had a Kool-aid stand by the time he was 14 too, I suppose?
Hey Jimbo, you can get a SS card at birth. My mom got mine when I was a baby. Doesn't mean you worked.
You're dead wrong about the disability claims being pre-paid by the individual. Sure, you can justify the welfare aspect of disability and can even call it "insurance" but it's NOT. It's a GOVERNMENT program that takes money from ALL of us and gives it to those in NEED. That's the dreaded "socialism" you all bitch about.
There are private disability policies you can buy but they'll cost you significantly more than the government option and will have much more restrictive conditions on what is considered "disabled" and what is not. Someone like our host who couldn't do the physical job he was doing was turned down by "private" insurance. They would tell him to suck it up and go get a desk job. So he went to the government who pays him to do basically nothing.
To summarize, our host did NOT pre-pay his benefits. He is benefiting from SOCIALISM that you all HATE. WIthout the GOVERNMENT program he would be in a much worse place.
It amazes me that you people have set up in your minds who is worthy and who is not. I imagine you picture the unworthy as black or hispanic, people who didn't work sufficiently hard in your eyes. You picture an army of these people who do nothing but look for ways to get their hands on your money.
Meanwhile, you protect the same behavior in people you know or approve of. That's the most disgusting part of conservatism. You people always justify your use of government programs. You just don't want anyone else getting at them, particularly if they don't look like you.
ANON said
"You people always justify your use of government programs. You just don't want anyone else getting at them, particularly if they don't look like you."
I don't want the able to take a free gub'ment handout. Unemployment benefits for 99 weeks, are you freaking kidding me? and guess what anal protrusion, areas where benefits have run out, unemployment actually went down. This nation has turned into a bunch of beggars, thanks in part to all politicians since social security was inacted.
May 12, 2010 1:26 PM
Shit and roll in it, dipshit. You are a delusional liar who believes you can read peoples minds and motives.
Fuck off, retard.
I'll take that as an admission of defeat, Jimbo.
Wow, what an idiot. Look me in the eye and say that, dipshit. We'll see who is "defeated".
Gawd I loath keyboard-cowards like you.
Post a reply if you must - but don't do it on my account. I won't be reading/replying to your lying delusional crap any longer.
Once again, Anon speaks out of his ass and is wrong.
Anon made the claim that private disability insurance would be more expensive than the government disability insurance.
WRONG.
My private disability insurance policy costs me about 60% of what I pay into the Social Security disability portion of my paycheck deductions. Additionally, the benefits from that policy are 80% of my current yearly salary at the time of the disability, which means that I’d be getting about $50,000 per year out of the policy were I to become disabled.
Social security disability, on the other hand, would pay me about $17,000 per year. So, for 30% more cost, I get way less than half of the return.
Failure #1 in Anon’s argument.
Anon made the claim that private insurance “will have much more restrictive conditions on what is considered "disabled" and what is not.”
WRONG AGAIN.
I have reviewed my policy and it is very liberal as to what it considers to be “disabled”. I can actually claim short-term disability if I get too “stressed out” and they will honor the claim as long as I have a doctor agree with me (yeah, that would be really hard, I’m sure). Social Security disability, on the other hand, has a much more stringent set of rules on getting enrolled on the policy. Have you looked at it recently? It really sucks. My policy basically requires a doctor’s note saying that in his opinion, I’m disabled. Period. Worst case, they can ask for a second opinion. Social security? Not so much. It typically takes months and months to get on the social security rolls, and the long and short of it is that many SS claims are denied, even with doctor’s notes.
Failure #2.
Anon then claimed that “They would tell him to suck it up and go get a desk job.”
Again, after having reviewed my policy, there is a tiny grain of truth to what Anon claims here, but his statement massively distorts the real truth of the matter. Most private policies have “short term” and “long term” disability components – mine certainly does. For “short term” disability, they cannot force you to modify your job experience, they must simply pay up. That means that if you are a carpenter, and you can’t be a carpenter because of an injury, they cannot, for the period of the short term policy, force you to be anything other than a carpenter. If I recall correctly, my short term policy lasts for 18 months (but it might be 3 years, I can’t remember for sure. In either case, it is a long, generous time for recovery from illness or injury).
IF you remain disabled after the lapse of the short-term policy, then the long term policy kicks in. It has a clause that states that the policy WILL ACTUALLY HELP YOU to get retrained to do some other job that you are capable of doing given your disability – in Anon’s words, “a desk job.” If your disability won’t allow you to work, then the policy stays in effect for as long as you have a doc that says you can’t work. If your doc allows for you to get retrained and get a desk job, the policy will help pay for costs of retraining, and will remain in force until you get said desk job.
That being said, I see this as a feature rather than a bug of the policy. If, after 18 months (or three years) you still can’t do your job, the chances are, you will never again be able to do your job, so why not retrain and get a different job that you can do? Anon spins this as if a guy that wants to be a carpenter has a basic right to be a carpenter and if he can’t be a carpenter then he is entitled to not do anything else for the rest of his life. To me, the best thing on Earth, if I was unable to do my job, would be to get help to get a different job I was able to do and continue being a productive member of society instead of a drain. If Anon sees this as a bad thing, then I guess his true colors are shining through.
In my opinion, this is FAILURE #3, but my guess is Anon will disagree and say that they guy should be a carpenter and never anything else even if he can’t do it anymore. Life is tough. You can’t always get what you want… (Mick Jagger, I think).
Your policy can promise you daily flower delivery and puppies to keep you warm but it's the end result that determines how good it is.
Go file a claim and we'll see how good your policy is.
And there's no way of determining what your "government disability policy" costs you since it's not a line item on any form.
Private health insurance has shown us what a joke private policies can be.
And none of your babble has anything to do with the fact that our host is the recipient of SOCIALIST WELFARE.
"Your policy can promise you daily flower delivery and puppies to keep you warm but it's the end result that determines how good it is.
Go file a claim and we'll see how good your policy is."
God, you're an idiot. Did it ever occur to you that the reason that I know so much about my policy is because I have had to file a claim? You should follow the good, lawyerly advice of "never ask a question that you do not know the answer to."
I went on disability two years ago due to a genetic immune condition that nearly killed me. I was on it for 3 months. The service was rapid, the checks came in on time, the people were friendly, and I had no problem with them whatsoever.
Furthermore, if the private business that funds my policy is screwing with me over something, I can take them to court for breach of contract. Good luck suing the government if THEY decide to screw with you, dipshit. And your argument doesn't even broach the topic that the government can screw with you just as easily as a private insurance company can, but you have NO RECOURSE should the government decide to do it. And believe me, they do. A lot. A hell of a lot more than the "evil" private companies do (who, by the way, are trying to run a business, which would be really hard if they got the reputation that they don't pay valid claims and the like.)
"And there's no way of determining what your "government disability policy" costs you since it's not a line item on any form."
Yeah, but I have a form that shows how much of SS goes to the retirement account they sent to me, so i did a little math to figure out how much the disability portion of it is. Besides, are you really going to argue that the government plan is cheaper? Are you going to argue that the government can do ANYTHING more cheaply?
"Private health insurance has shown us what a joke private policies can be."
You seem to spout the propaganda pretty readily, but do you have any actual, you know, FACTS or examples of what you are talking about? How are they a joke?
My health insurance policy helped to save my life, and kept me from going into bankruptcy to do it. I would throw a party for them if I could.
Currently, I am on a medication that costs about $20,000 per year to control my condition. Do I hear any bitching and complaining from them about it? Nope. Once I tried the other two (cheaper)therapies that they wanted me to try before spending the big bucks (and before you go off on that one they are both valid medical therapies for the condition that I have which is kind of like Lupus, that would have saved them a lot fo money if they worked - but they didn't, so the company ponied up the big bucks for the expensive drug - which had just as much chance of not working as the other two).
You lefties love to deride the health insurance companies as if they are evil bastards, but forget about the countless lives they've saved, and focus on the three cases per year where you can claim that they did something wrong.
They saved my life. i owe them big, and I will fight for them for the rest of my life against thugs like you that want to bring them down.
Congratulations on having the best insurance in the world. Glad it worked out so well. Of course, you could be feeding me bullshit.
That said, it didn't seem to work out that way for our host, that's why he has to depend on the government system. His situation is more the norm.
I'm sure now you'll tell me you don't partake in the government benefit system?
Looking back over your earlier posts it seems you had to review your policy recently, not for a historical claim. You posted about finding certain details.
And why wouldn't you tell us that you had already processed a claim and were receiving benefits the first time you posted?
Probably because none of your most recent post is true. it's fiction.
You people will lie and then swear that the lies are true. It's what makes you conservatives.
"Looking back over your earlier posts it seems you had to review your policy recently, not for a historical claim. You posted about finding certain details."
Yes, you are correct. it was up for renewal in March, if I recall correctly, so i read through it to see if any changes were being made. I did have to read through it recently.
"And why wouldn't you tell us that you had already processed a claim and were receiving benefits the first time you posted?"
Look at the context of my first several posts. None of them had anything to do with actual experience of using DA insurance until you made the comment that I should try to file a claim and see how it worked out for me. Prior to your comment, my having filed a claim was irrelevant to the discussion, so i didn't bring it up.
However, if you review this site, you will see that my illness is not a new topic on here. Go into the archives, you'll probably find the posts where I had to tell everyone I'd be gone for a while, asking for their prayers and such. It would be probably springish of 2008 or fall of 2007. I promise you I'm not lying, the members here will vouch for me - I've been sick. Really, really fucking sick.
"Probably because none of your most recent post is true. it's fiction."
Oh, fuck you. I'm not a liar, and I'm not sure why I would have faked getting "a diseas like Lupus" of all things, and then almost being killed by it (which is very rare). Seems like a stretch. But if you want to believe I'm a liar, then i can't help you. It seems to me that it is a safe way for you to crawl back inside your ideology and hide fromt he real world that is slowly tearing it apart piece by piece. If you have to tell yourself that I'm lying to reinforce your worldview, then do whatever you've got to do to stay sane.
Are you getting government disability?
Can you explain why our host's experience with private disability insurance wasn't as dreamy as yours?
Differenes between Government and private insurance:
T/F As a military retiree, I, my spouse, and minor dependents get free medical care for life.
True: so long as I live near a military base which has a functional hospital which accepts retiree patients. Else I pay $238 per month to visit an approved doctor that lives within 50 miles of my home and I pay a 30% copay. Else I pay nothing, visit a doctor of my choice and pay 100% and get a 30% refund in 6-9 months. - or - I use my private insurance which costs me $236 per month, visit a doctor of my choice, pay nothing for a copay but am required to make a copay of about 25% in 6-9 months when the final billing is completed.
Works like a charm, I pay $2 less per month and my military benefits package saves 5% as well.
T/F as a military retiree I and my dependants get free dental care for life?
True: so long as we live near a military base that accepts retiree dental patients. (Hint: there are none in any of the 50 United States.) or I pay $138 per month for 1 annual checkup & wingbite x-ray per family member and 30-60% coverage for any actual work done capping at $1500/individual or $3000/family per year. AFter that there is 0% coverage -- or-- I pay $8.67 per month for 2 checkups per year and 70% of other work with a $3000 cap/individual. This one is a no brainer.
Across the board, government sponsored insurance is more expensive than private insurance, (granted it is part of an employer benefits package). And as far as the pitance of my military retiree benefits being a "government handout" I would expect the same from any "civilian" company that promised it to me if I worked for them for 25 years and put it in my hiring contract.
There is a difference between recieving a benefit for working 60-80 hours per week for 25 years and attaining the age of filling out a government form for free money without parental signature.
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