I know I'm about to get metaphorically kicked in the nuts, but, WTF is the big deal? Is the argument AGAINST saving energy? Or against using comm,on sense?
The gub'ment already controls MPG, oil drilling, coal mining and how MUCH 'lectricity can be made. Until we get that power back, we have to conserve.
The only issue I have is that my house in utah goes through the $5 flourescents just as fast a the old incandencent. That tells me there is probably something wrong with the wiring, or the fixtures are just too old.....but I need ammo more than I need light bulbs.
We have built in fixtures that won't accommodate CFB's (eg: recessed in our shower). The light quality from CFB's is poorer quality. Disposing of the mercury when CFB's burn out, or cleanup should one break, is very expensive and quite toxic. That's the big deal.
in CA you are not allowed to put CFB's in the trash you must take them to a qualified recycling center, not the soda can recycling center but a special one - my closest is 20 miles
if one breaks you are required by law to have a licensed person do the mercury clean up - cost $200-$300 - if you don't and are turned in to the EPA you will be fined
I am stocking a lifetime supply of 40w bulbs for my dining room chandler and bathroom light fixtures before they stop selling them, the CFB don't fit
and oh yea CFB's generally do not work in a 3 way fixture
alan, it's probably old fixtures / old wiring OR your electric generation company isn't watching the transformers, etc and you're over cycling them. Call them and ask for a 24 or 48 hr home monitor. (it should be free)
Bill, there are stores set up to take them, just like rechargeable tool batteries. In NYC that's gonna be tougher I think, no Lowes or Home Depot down the street like I've got. There's a list for each state on line. As for toxic, there's less mercury in those than there is in a thermometer. And you need repeated exposure to RAW mercury to possibly be affected.
I think the light sucks too, so I use BIGGER bulbs for old lamps. A 75W or 100W bulb in a 60W lamp is about right and it STILL uses less incan bulbs.
Mounted fixtures do present problems. I had to replace some here and my house is just 7 years old. Along those lines, I remember a friend whose grandmother had an old house (I was about 8 or 9) and her house had two wire, EXPOSED wiring. She had to rewire it, or tear it down. I'm betting she felt like we do now.
"...friggin' government pukes!"
blue, you're not allowed to put then in the trash anywhere, CA has nothing to do with it. (you can't throw away paint, tires, antifreeze or motor lubricants either now...our grand parents did...remember what some rivers and lakes looked like in the 60's and 70's Lake Erie caught fire once for crying out loud!) Most big box DIY places have a center for recycling the pig tail bulbs. Just like your dead power tool batteries, there is a new industry springing up. And a mercury clean HAZMAT team up is NOT necessary unless you drop about 300 bulbs at once. That kind of EPA clean up is based on spill size or toxicity. (I used to do MSDS stuff at power plants, I know what I'm talking about here...spill a qt of oil in your drive way, no EPA call needed...spill 500 gallons, at work, call EPA quick) A basic, legal, clean up scheme exists on every manufacturers web site. By law I believe.
Listen, I think they overstepped their power too when they did this. And I'd love to hang almost every current office holder. But some things MUST be done to conserve. This seems way less painful than driving less.
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I know I'm about to get metaphorically kicked in the nuts, but, WTF is the big deal? Is the argument AGAINST saving energy? Or against using comm,on sense?
The gub'ment already controls MPG, oil drilling, coal mining and how MUCH 'lectricity can be made. Until we get that power back, we have to conserve.
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The only issue I have is that my house in utah goes through the $5 flourescents just as fast a the old incandencent. That tells me there is probably something wrong with the wiring, or the fixtures are just too old.....but I need ammo more than I need light bulbs.
We have built in fixtures that won't accommodate CFB's (eg: recessed in our shower). The light quality from CFB's is poorer quality. Disposing of the mercury when CFB's burn out, or cleanup should one break, is very expensive and quite toxic.
That's the big deal.
in CA you are not allowed to put CFB's in the trash you must take them to a qualified recycling center, not the soda can recycling center but a special one - my closest is 20 miles
if one breaks you are required by law to have a licensed person do the mercury clean up - cost $200-$300 - if you don't and are turned in to the EPA you will be fined
I am stocking a lifetime supply of 40w bulbs for my dining room chandler and bathroom light fixtures before they stop selling them, the CFB don't fit
and oh yea CFB's generally do not work in a 3 way fixture
alan,
it's probably old fixtures / old wiring OR your electric generation company isn't watching the transformers, etc and you're over cycling them. Call them and ask for a 24 or 48 hr home monitor.
(it should be free)
Bill,
there are stores set up to take them, just like rechargeable tool batteries. In NYC that's gonna be tougher I think, no Lowes or Home Depot down the street like I've got. There's a list for each state on line. As for toxic, there's less mercury in those than there is in a thermometer. And you need repeated exposure to RAW mercury to possibly be affected.
I think the light sucks too, so I use BIGGER bulbs for old lamps. A 75W or 100W bulb in a 60W lamp is about right and it STILL uses less incan bulbs.
Mounted fixtures do present problems. I had to replace some here and my house is just 7 years old. Along those lines, I remember a friend whose grandmother had an old house (I was about 8 or 9) and her house had two wire, EXPOSED wiring. She had to rewire it, or tear it down. I'm betting she felt like we do now.
"...friggin' government pukes!"
blue,
you're not allowed to put then in the trash anywhere, CA has nothing to do with it. (you can't throw away paint, tires, antifreeze or motor lubricants either now...our grand parents did...remember what some rivers and lakes looked like in the 60's and 70's Lake Erie caught fire once for crying out loud!) Most big box DIY places have a center for recycling the pig tail bulbs. Just like your dead power tool batteries, there is a new industry springing up. And a mercury clean HAZMAT team up is NOT necessary unless you drop about 300 bulbs at once. That kind of EPA clean up is based on spill size or toxicity. (I used to do MSDS stuff at power plants, I know what I'm talking about here...spill a qt of oil in your drive way, no EPA call needed...spill 500 gallons, at work, call EPA quick) A basic, legal, clean up scheme exists on every manufacturers web site. By law I believe.
Listen, I think they overstepped their power too when they did this. And I'd love to hang almost every current office holder. But some things MUST be done to conserve. This seems way less painful than driving less.
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