These houses are over 20 years old, did they expect them to last forever? There is a certain amount of maintenace that needs to happen to keep houses habitiable. Oh wait I know they were provided by charity so it is supposed to last the life of the house, yeah that's it.
I've been in and around the construction industry for all my adult life. In reading this article two things jump to mind.
First, how much upkeep was done on these houses? Rats, roaches and mildew sounds like upkeep problems, NOT construction problems to me.
Second, whether H for H is involved, with pros, with volunteers, or with aliens from the planet Zenon 6, the local building inspectors should have seen to it that proper grading, and site cleanup was done. If there is 5' of trash under that guys kitchen floor, it was there when the Complete / Occupancy Certificate was issued. If all the house building trash was shoved into the crawl space, the cert should never have been issued.
I have my own problems with Habitat, but I don't see this stuff as their fault. My main problem is the fact that the families of the "homeowners" don't inherit the house. The "homeowners" can't sell at a profit, ever. And mostly, after paying for the house, keeping it for life and paying to keep the house livable, Habitat gets the house back, to resell, to another deserving "homeowner".
This is just Jimmy Carter's private, personal version of the Projects.
The article says the homes are 8 years old, not 20+. What i've always found amusing about the H for H projects is, how could anyone be stupid enough to trust peanut-brain Carter to do anything right? And Schtevie is right, roaches and mold don't come from poor construction. Usually, they come from people waiting for the govt. to clean their house for them.
Oh look. The "compassionate conservatives" who are all about volunteering and who see themselves as the generous people are bitterly complaining about Habitat for Humanity and the selfless acts of Jimmy Carter. Shows how interested conservatives are in helping anyone but themselves.
------------- The low ratings for Congress apply to the nearly half made up of republicans. And the perception of Congress was shaped in the 12 out of the past 14 years that republicans ran it while ignoring the building crises we now face.
But I understand your desire to find something, ANYTHING rated lower than the idiot crackhead bush.
Did you expect the residents who were give these homes for free to actually take care of them rather than piss on them?
It's not like they actually sweated and saved and earned there homes and valued them in a throwaway economy.
You did not maintain it for them. It's your fault. You are an incompassionate, fiscally conservative, producer. That's what you are! How dare you do for yourself before you do for strangers?
I bet you painted your own home, didn't you? How many times in the past 20 years? 4 or 5 times? Did you do the same for these people you don't give 2 shits about? Did you feed your own family, you selfish bastard?
And how dare you question the types of sneakers or jackets these folks use from their gov't checks or black market economy. You. YES you You racist bastards!
A word on President James Earl Carter from the Washington Post:
A veteran Middle East scholar affiliated with the Carter Center in Atlanta resigned his position there Monday in an escalating controversy over former president Jimmy Carter's bestselling book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," traces the ups and downs of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process beginning with Carter's 1977-1980 presidency and the historic peace accord he negotiated between Israel and Egypt and continuing to the present. Although it apportions blame to Israel, the Palestinians and outside parties -- including the United States -- for the failure of decades of peace efforts, it is sharply critical of Israeli policy and concludes that "Israel's continued control and colonization of Palestinian land have been the primary obstacles to a comprehensive peace agreement in the Holy Land."
Kenneth W. Stein, a professor at Emory University, accused Carter of factual errors, omissions and plagiarism in the book. "Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information," Stein wrote in a harshly worded e-mail to friends and colleagues explaining his resignation as the center's Middle East fellow.
One can deduce from the information in President Carter's book the reason he was treated as persona non grata when he last tried to visit Israel. Well, at least he's in good company..Desmond Tutu and Vanessa Redgrave have said essentially the same thing; and I know how much respect I have for that duo.
Hey, at least he can write books....or have them ghost written for him. Do not forget, this was the man who was attacked by a rouge rabbit while fishing and publicy claimed to have seen a UFO; whose brother was a drunken lobbyist in the employ of Muammar al-Gaddafi, who gave away the Panama Canal; who dithered for 444 days while 52 American hostages were being held by the Ayatollah Khomeini and who took the incredibly brave step of canceling American participation in the 1980 Moscow Olympics in response to the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan. I'll bet that broke Alexey Nikolayevich Kosygin's heart!
Oh and let us not forget that it was with Carter's tacit approval that Pakistan joined the nuclear club by allowing then P. M. Benazir Bhutto to journey to Pyongyang and return with her briefcase stuffed with missile blueprints. Since he had dithered so long about the loss of the Tehran embassy, the only American listening post in that part of the world...he had to do something didn't he?
According to Famous IQs Ronald Reagan's IQ was 105 and Jimmy Carter's was/is 156. That's just fine and dandy, but Carter was the very prototype for effete, ineffectual Southern manhood. Miss Lillian wore the pants in the family when he was growing up and Rosalynn donned them when he got married. He saw so many different scenarios in a given situation that he was incapable of making a decision.
And Nancy ran the reagan household. What woman doesn't run the household?
I'd like some proof that his books were ghost written, please.
Was his Nobel Prize a sham, too? Oh that's right, after he won, the right wing decided the Nobel was a useless prize. Probably because American conservatives never win any awards for furthering humanity.
The rest of your post is so much revisionism. The canal wasn't ours. Panama is it's own country. We're too broke now anyway to run it since republican rule broke the bank.
What's ironic is that George bush was the drunken cokehead Billy Carter of his family and you elected him President twice! And his brother Neil makes Billy Carter look like an amateur. The whole bush family is a lobbyist for the Saudis.
It's naive to think that we're going to stop other countries from joining the nuclear club. Perhaps if we hadn't used them to kill 400,000 Japanese women and children the rest of the world wouldn't feel the need to have the same capability.
The only thing history will remember about Carter is what a dupe/dope he was/is. He was, and continues to be, a national embarrassment and a study in weakness. He is in fact, the typical bleeding heart, mindless, ultra-liberal.
Fact: Not one of the thousands of Cuban criminals, spys, drug dealers, and mental patients he let into this country ever went to Plains, GA.
The only reason you walking brainstems like to rail on about Carter is because you think people will forget about Nixon, the REPUBLICAN president forced to resign due to corruption.
Wanna bet that bush is forever known as America's worst president, even worse than Nixon?
Carter will be remembered as the American President who won the Nobel. Reagan as the one who served with Alzheimer's and bush with the effects of alcohol and cocaine.
William Quandt, a member of Carter's National Security Council wrote the book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.
A little history lesson for your benefit, HLF:
Truman did not have to drop the two atomic bombs on Japan in order to end the war. They were at the point of surrender. He dropped them on Japan to impress upon the Soviet Union that we had the bomb and would not hesitate to use it. It's sort of like the implicit threat of us and our "gun porn."
As for revisionism... Carter either looked the other way or he did not while Pakistan became a nuclear power. He did. The US owned the rights to the Canal, not the country which was run by one of the greatest drug dealers in the Western hemisphere, the CIA-aided Manuel Noriega.
As for President Bush's crackhead status...like you requested, I'd like some proof that this is true. I know he's a drunk but some of my closest friends are drunks. And please stop saying that I elected him twice. You have not the faintest idea of for whom I voted for in 2000 and 2004. Hint: It was not President Bush.
I want to preface all of this by reinforcing the fact that I am not racist, nor classist nor anything else. This post is nothing but statement of fact. Period.
I am in the construction industry. Frankly, I am surprised mightily that these homes are still standing, and it isn't because of shoddy construction. These are Habitat homes. Nutshell? Low income to free housing.
Shoddy construction can only go so far. There are codes, and inspectors to enforce these codes, so these homes had to meet a bare minimum standard, which most cookie-cutter box houses built today only barely meet. My guess is that these were built with minimum quality standards, and no, they are not gold-plated mansions, but by law, they had to meet certain requirements, and the fact that people live in them means that they did, indeed, meet those requirements.
Now, as far as low-income housing...
I was a plumber's apprentice. We had a maintenance contract with a low-income development in my hometown. The things I saw when I was called out for maintenance calls literally shocked me to my core. These things that I saw are likely responsible for my sharp turn towards conervatism years ago. The people in these housin projects not only did not care about these houses, but actually went out of their way to destroy them. Their attitude was that it wasn't their house, it was the government's, and the government was responsible for the repair if they destroyed it.
And they were right.
If it amused them, they would kick out walls and doors. The garbage was typically stacked 4 feet high in most rooms, with trails made for circualtion space. Rats and mice were everywhere.
My last service call as a plumber's apprentice was a case where the person living int he home had plugged up the toilet, and then simply continued to use it sans flushing. The pyramid of poo over the toilet was about 18" high, and had gotten so tall that they could not use the toilet anymore and started using the bathtub, which was 3/4 full when I got there. Urine and poo covered the floor. It smelled like I would imagine only Hell could smell.
Keep in mind, the only reason that we were even called out to fix it is because a child services worker called us to fix it after an inspection of the premises. The "owner" of the property had not bothered to call anyone about the clogged toilet, much less get plunger and unplug it herself.
When i got there, she was bitching us out up one side and down the other because we hadn't come out to fix it when it plugged. We asked if she ahd called or written or mentioned it to management, and she said she hadn't because it wasn't her problem.
I asked her how she expected maangement to know if she hadn't called, and she went off. I ended up closing the door to keep her from attacking me (apparently I had disrespected her). My only reason for doing this was because I wanted to let her know that, one, she could uplug the toilet herself next time, and two, if she chose not to, all she had to do was call as soon as it happened, and we would come out and fix it right away to make sure this never happened again.
i guess the entire bathroom ahd to be torn out down to studs in order to clean the mess.
I don't know, though, because I quit as soon as my boss told me i had to go in there with a shovel and a 5 gallon bucket and start cleaning. I had put in my 2 weeks anyway, because I was off to college, so i just left a little early.
So you will never convince me that there was anything wrong with these home when they were built 20 years ago. 20 years of neglect can ruin any home. 20 years of purposeful amusement through destruction will do it even quicker.
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The Magic Negro will build lovely houses that will also last for up to 8 years, falling apart just when term is over.
These houses are over 20 years old, did they expect them to last forever? There is a certain amount of maintenace that needs to happen to keep houses habitiable. Oh wait I know they were provided by charity so it is supposed to last the life of the house, yeah that's it.
"liberal built houses that are a piece of crap"
Like the House of Representatives?
Yep. Certainly doesn't get any shittier than Nancy's 'House of 9%'.
I've been in and around the construction industry for all my adult life. In reading this article two things jump to mind.
First, how much upkeep was done on these houses? Rats, roaches and mildew sounds like upkeep problems, NOT construction problems to me.
Second, whether H for H is involved, with pros, with volunteers, or with aliens from the planet Zenon 6, the local building inspectors should have seen to it that proper grading, and site cleanup was done. If there is 5' of trash under that guys kitchen floor, it was there when the Complete / Occupancy Certificate was issued. If all the house building trash was shoved into the crawl space, the cert should never have been issued.
I have my own problems with Habitat, but I don't see this stuff as their fault. My main problem is the fact that the families of the "homeowners" don't inherit the house. The "homeowners" can't sell at a profit, ever. And mostly, after paying for the house, keeping it for life and paying to keep the house livable, Habitat gets the house back, to resell, to another deserving "homeowner".
This is just Jimmy Carter's private, personal version of the Projects.
The article says the homes are 8 years old, not 20+. What i've always found amusing about the H for H projects is, how could anyone be stupid enough to trust peanut-brain Carter to do anything right? And Schtevie is right, roaches and mold don't come from poor construction. Usually, they come from people waiting for the govt. to clean their house for them.
Oh look. The "compassionate conservatives" who are all about volunteering and who see themselves as the generous people are bitterly complaining about Habitat for Humanity and the selfless acts of Jimmy Carter. Shows how interested conservatives are in helping anyone but themselves.
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The low ratings for Congress apply to the nearly half made up of republicans. And the perception of Congress was shaped in the 12 out of the past 14 years that republicans ran it while ignoring the building crises we now face.
But I understand your desire to find something, ANYTHING rated lower than the idiot crackhead bush.
& the democrat lead House & Senate meet that requirement- their approval rating is way, way lower than G. Bush's
I felt that was the biggest accomplishment of Jimmy (the peanut brain) Carter.
I gave him credit for what appeared to be some do-gooding after his less than lackluster presidency.
I'm not surprised by the showmanship turned ratbastardship of this dispicable excuse and waste of human flesh.
Gee whizz Cow!
Did you expect the residents who were give these homes for free to actually take care of them rather than piss on them?
It's not like they actually sweated and saved and earned there homes and valued them in a throwaway economy.
You did not maintain it for them. It's your fault. You are an incompassionate, fiscally conservative, producer. That's what you are! How dare you do for yourself before you do for strangers?
I bet you painted your own home, didn't you? How many times in the past 20 years? 4 or 5 times? Did you do the same for these people you don't give 2 shits about? Did you feed your own family, you selfish bastard?
And how dare you question the types of sneakers or jackets these folks use from their gov't checks or black market economy. You. YES you You racist bastards!
A word on President James Earl Carter from the Washington Post:
A veteran Middle East scholar affiliated with the Carter Center in Atlanta resigned his position there Monday in an escalating controversy over former president Jimmy Carter's bestselling book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," traces the ups and downs of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process beginning with Carter's 1977-1980 presidency and the historic peace accord he negotiated between Israel and Egypt and continuing to the present. Although it apportions blame to Israel, the Palestinians and outside parties -- including the United States -- for the failure of decades of peace efforts, it is sharply critical of Israeli policy and concludes that "Israel's continued control and colonization of Palestinian land have been the primary obstacles to a comprehensive peace agreement in the Holy Land."
Kenneth W. Stein, a professor at Emory University, accused Carter of factual errors, omissions and plagiarism in the book. "Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information," Stein wrote in a harshly worded e-mail to friends and colleagues explaining his resignation as the center's Middle East fellow.
One can deduce from the information in President Carter's book the reason he was treated as persona non grata when he last tried to visit Israel. Well, at least he's in good company..Desmond Tutu and Vanessa Redgrave have said essentially the same thing; and I know how much respect I have for that duo.
persona non grata? what't that?
Hey, at least he can write books. All republican ex-presidents do is drool.
I hear the bush library will be filled with old People magazines and coloring books since that's about all his followers understand.
Hey, at least he can write books....or have them ghost written for him. Do not forget, this was the man who was attacked by a rouge rabbit while fishing and publicy claimed to have seen a UFO; whose brother was a drunken lobbyist in the employ of Muammar al-Gaddafi, who gave away the Panama Canal; who dithered for 444 days while 52 American hostages were being held by the Ayatollah Khomeini and who took the incredibly brave step of canceling American participation in the 1980 Moscow Olympics in response to the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan. I'll bet that broke Alexey Nikolayevich Kosygin's heart!
Oh and let us not forget that it was with Carter's tacit approval that Pakistan joined the nuclear club by allowing then P. M. Benazir Bhutto to journey to Pyongyang and return with her briefcase stuffed with missile blueprints. Since he had dithered so long about the loss of the Tehran embassy, the only American listening post in that part of the world...he had to do something didn't he?
Great legacy, indeed!
Oh and...
According to Famous IQs Ronald Reagan's IQ was 105 and Jimmy Carter's was/is 156. That's just fine and dandy, but Carter was the very prototype for effete, ineffectual Southern manhood. Miss Lillian wore the pants in the family when he was growing up and Rosalynn donned them when he got married. He saw so many different scenarios in a given situation that he was incapable of making a decision.
And Nancy ran the reagan household. What woman doesn't run the household?
I'd like some proof that his books were ghost written, please.
Was his Nobel Prize a sham, too? Oh that's right, after he won, the right wing decided the Nobel was a useless prize. Probably because American conservatives never win any awards for furthering humanity.
The rest of your post is so much revisionism. The canal wasn't ours. Panama is it's own country. We're too broke now anyway to run it since republican rule broke the bank.
What's ironic is that George bush was the drunken cokehead Billy Carter of his family and you elected him President twice! And his brother Neil makes Billy Carter look like an amateur. The whole bush family is a lobbyist for the Saudis.
It's naive to think that we're going to stop other countries from joining the nuclear club. Perhaps if we hadn't used them to kill 400,000 Japanese women and children the rest of the world wouldn't feel the need to have the same capability.
The only thing history will remember about Carter is what a dupe/dope he was/is. He was, and continues to be, a national embarrassment and a study in weakness. He is in fact, the typical bleeding heart, mindless, ultra-liberal.
Fact: Not one of the thousands of Cuban criminals, spys, drug dealers, and mental patients he let into this country ever went to Plains, GA.
The only reason you walking brainstems like to rail on about Carter is because you think people will forget about Nixon, the REPUBLICAN president forced to resign due to corruption.
Wanna bet that bush is forever known as America's worst president, even worse than Nixon?
Carter will be remembered as the American President who won the Nobel. Reagan as the one who served with Alzheimer's and bush with the effects of alcohol and cocaine.
William Quandt, a member of Carter's National Security Council wrote the book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.
A little history lesson for your benefit, HLF:
Truman did not have to drop the two atomic bombs on Japan in order to end the war. They were at the point of surrender. He dropped them on Japan to impress upon the Soviet Union that we had the bomb and would not hesitate to use it. It's sort of like the implicit threat of us and our "gun porn."
As for revisionism... Carter either looked the other way or he did not while Pakistan became a nuclear power. He did. The US owned the rights to the Canal, not the country which was run by one of the greatest drug dealers in the Western hemisphere, the CIA-aided Manuel Noriega.
As for President Bush's crackhead status...like you requested, I'd like some proof that this is true. I know he's a drunk but some of my closest friends are drunks. And please stop saying that I elected him twice. You have not the faintest idea of for whom I voted for in 2000 and 2004. Hint: It was not President Bush.
A word on President James Earl Carter...
Hm. I thought his middle name really was Peanut.
What we need is Peanut the ??? from Jeff Dunham in the Oval Office. THEN we'd get some stuff done!
You have not the faintest idea of for whom I voted for in 2000 and 2004. Hint: It was not President Bush.
Bill the Cat and Opus?
Cowpill nailed it.
I want to preface all of this by reinforcing the fact that I am not racist, nor classist nor anything else. This post is nothing but statement of fact. Period.
I am in the construction industry. Frankly, I am surprised mightily that these homes are still standing, and it isn't because of shoddy construction. These are Habitat homes. Nutshell? Low income to free housing.
Shoddy construction can only go so far. There are codes, and inspectors to enforce these codes, so these homes had to meet a bare minimum standard, which most cookie-cutter box houses built today only barely meet. My guess is that these were built with minimum quality standards, and no, they are not gold-plated mansions, but by law, they had to meet certain requirements, and the fact that people live in them means that they did, indeed, meet those requirements.
Now, as far as low-income housing...
I was a plumber's apprentice. We had a maintenance contract with a low-income development in my hometown. The things I saw when I was called out for maintenance calls literally shocked me to my core. These things that I saw are likely responsible for my sharp turn towards conervatism years ago. The people in these housin projects not only did not care about these houses, but actually went out of their way to destroy them. Their attitude was that it wasn't their house, it was the government's, and the government was responsible for the repair if they destroyed it.
And they were right.
If it amused them, they would kick out walls and doors. The garbage was typically stacked 4 feet high in most rooms, with trails made for circualtion space. Rats and mice were everywhere.
My last service call as a plumber's apprentice was a case where the person living int he home had plugged up the toilet, and then simply continued to use it sans flushing. The pyramid of poo over the toilet was about 18" high, and had gotten so tall that they could not use the toilet anymore and started using the bathtub, which was 3/4 full when I got there. Urine and poo covered the floor. It smelled like I would imagine only Hell could smell.
Keep in mind, the only reason that we were even called out to fix it is because a child services worker called us to fix it after an inspection of the premises. The "owner" of the property had not bothered to call anyone about the clogged toilet, much less get plunger and unplug it herself.
When i got there, she was bitching us out up one side and down the other because we hadn't come out to fix it when it plugged. We asked if she ahd called or written or mentioned it to management, and she said she hadn't because it wasn't her problem.
I asked her how she expected maangement to know if she hadn't called, and she went off. I ended up closing the door to keep her from attacking me (apparently I had disrespected her). My only reason for doing this was because I wanted to let her know that, one, she could uplug the toilet herself next time, and two, if she chose not to, all she had to do was call as soon as it happened, and we would come out and fix it right away to make sure this never happened again.
i guess the entire bathroom ahd to be torn out down to studs in order to clean the mess.
I don't know, though, because I quit as soon as my boss told me i had to go in there with a shovel and a 5 gallon bucket and start cleaning. I had put in my 2 weeks anyway, because I was off to college, so i just left a little early.
So you will never convince me that there was anything wrong with these home when they were built 20 years ago. 20 years of neglect can ruin any home. 20 years of purposeful amusement through destruction will do it even quicker.
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