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According to USA Today, Seattle and Minneapolis have been hooking and jabbing for several years over which city is most literate.
I'm no expert on Minneapolis, but I can tell you that Seattle is one of the most racist, backward, clannish places I've ever had the misfortune to visit. And most of the state is just the same. The inhabitants distrust anyone who's not a WASP.
I'm one of those peculiar people who thinks literacy means not just well read, but that you've learned and are capable of learning from what you read. Trust me, Seattle doesn't measure up.
Schteveo
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Tree Huggers vs. Al Frankensteins!
dreary and rainy vs. cold and desolate
Such a difficult choice.
Conservatives are often jealous of the intelligensia that inhabit the liberal cities.
Nothing new here.
Seattle is a hole. I've been there WAY too many times.
Pretty soon it will rival San Francisco on its way to becoming the next Detroit. It's a race to see which can destroy a once beautiful city the quickest.
Liberals are such pigs. They destroy any and everything they control.
Yep Jimbo, that must be why the rural places are such prosperous garden spots. You knnow, the places where the conservatives hide:
Persistent Poverty Counties are those that have had poverty rates of 20% or higher in every decennial census between 1970 and 2000.
340 of the 386 (88%) Persistently Poor Counties are nonmetro.
18% of nonmetro counties are persistent poverty counties, versus only 4% of metro counties.
The nonmetro South, with over 40 percent of the U.S. nonmetro population, has a significantly higher incidence of poverty.
82% of the nonmetro persistently poor counties are in the South.
You are hereby banished to Detroit
I think it's funny how Detroit has become the new whipping boy for cons. Typical behavior, kick them while they're down.
I guess they don't realize that Detroit is part of the same country 30 years of conservatism destroyed.
Detroit has been a hell-hole for much longer than that. Once the mecca of liberal intelligencia, until it was sucked dry by same in the name of helping the impovished.. Simply taxed to death.
hows comes all da free cheese lines bes in da 'hood?
Yeah, but srk, the poverty is still worse in the republican south. Care to take a stab at that?
Racism, as evidenced by the post before this one, is why Detroit is the whipping boy for cons.
Scratch a conservative, find a racist underneath.
Conservatives are often jealous of the intelligensia that inhabit the liberal cities.
Pray tell, why then did progressive leaders such as Mao and Pol Pot murder or exile to the countryside all the intellectuals [members of the intelligencia] they could find?
Um, I don't think you can just take and label someone a progressive who may have done bad things.
"Look, it's a progressive burglar!"
"A progressive just snatched my purse!"
"Oh look, a progressive didn't pick up their dog's shit!"
Not sure if those definitions are cross-cultural either. Perhaps for the purpose of this thread we can maybe stay within the confines of American culture, m'kay?
PS. Congrat on the MENSA thing but I never found much utility in someone telling me I was smart.
"I never found much utility in someone telling me I was smart"
Rest assured, it certainly won't happen here.
I knew immediately after posting, that someone would say that! Consider it my gift to you!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO MY NEW CONSERVATIVE DEBATE FRIENDS!
{I hate saying Happy Holidays but don't tell anyone!}
Congrat on the MENSA thing but I never found much utility in someone telling me I was smart.
Thanks, sweetie, but the MENSA deal was my method of proving to my own, little self that I was not as stupid as my grade school teachers assumed that I was...actually, "slow" was the euphamism of the time.
And...
Progressive, as in toward the left side of the political continuum. But I'll agree to confine my comments to 'Murika.
Who said anything about liberals or conservatives?
Seattle has a smattering of everybody, and the ones I met, or talked to, were a bunch of racists.
Do you know why Detroit has so many blacks and San Francisco has so many gays?
San Fran got first pick...
That post must be from one of those "inclusive, big-tent" conservatives.
HLT,
once again, you as all supposed liberals, seek to split the world into little piles.
My experience in Seattle is that with damned few exceptions, racism is rampant. WASP liberals want to help the poor, needy, non-white people. (but they want them helped elsewhere) WASP conservatives seek to give everyone their fair chance. (but with the same caveat, do it elsewhere) They are clannish regardless of color barrier. Anyone who's grand-parents didn't live in Seattle is a "cheechocka". Tha's an indian word that means newcomer.
I never meant to bring or insert politics into my post. I was drawing from my personal experiences. It just seemed a little nonsensical to me that a city so bent on being WASPy and remaining so, thought themselves to be so well read, as to go after the title of being America's Most Literate City.
I repeat, literacy means more than access to information. Literacy has an element of learning or an ability to learn. Ongoing racist attitudes trump their supposed literacy.
The northwest is infamous for it's over abundance of scum-sucking liberals, and is the birthplace of the girlieman. And the weather sucks too!
Your experience with Seattle is probably due to the types of people you hung around with. There's racists everywhere but I maintain that we have less of them in the PAC NW (at least in the cities) precisely due to our liberalism. Granted, we have few minorities due to migration patterns so the racism might not be as big an issue as it is in the Midwest where I am from. There, many see racism as normal and seek to reinforce it, looking at those who try and counter racist tendencies as naive and out-of-touch with reality. They actually WANT to believe that someone is bad or lesser due to their race or ethnicity.
Everyone has prejudice. I think the difference is that liberals recognize it as something that needs changing and improvement while less liberal people are more accepting of their prejudices. The hard core conservative relish their racism.
I'm not saying all conservatives are racists either but the racists do tend to reside on that end of the spectrum.
I do get the clannish thing that greets newcomers. I got that here in Portland. But eventually they put one of those pods in your bedroom closet and you wake up as one of them. As anon so eloquently put it, a "scum-sucking liberal girlieman".
And I wouldn't want to live anywhere else because of it. There's few tolerable places left in this country for my kind.
Jack and I have a small second home on the central coast of Oregon in a town of about 300, close to the Tillamook Cheese factory. The large cities of the Pacific Northwest [Portland, Seattle] are extremely "progressive," but the hinterlands are, to coin a phrase, conflicted about their identities. There is a store in a very small town about halfway between Portland and Cannon Beach that has a sign above the door that reads, Randy's Bait & Espresso. I am not nearly hip enough, don't wear enough black and am not nearly skinny enough to live permanently in Portland or Seattle.
...but Trendy-Third Street and the neighborhood on the hills below the Pittock Mansion where now dwells our dear friend, Ms. C. from Dallas days are very cool. It's strange, but all the streets in her area are named for counties in Virginia and North Carolina.
The WIllamette Valley is where most of the people live and where the liberals reside.
I live 3 miles up the hill from 23rd and walk to the Pittock Mansion with my dog every weekend, often twice, in the summers.
Weird!
Not everyone in Portland is skinny or hip. But it helps!
I love Oregon; and Portland is one of my most favorite cities in the country. Our house is between the thriving metropolises [metropoliti?] of Oceanside and Netarts. Have you ever been to Wee Willie's [now called The Whiskey Creek cafe]? They have the most celestial Marionberry pie and sublime oyster burgers.
I generally judge the places we go by the quality and quantity of the food we enjoy there.
I love the Oregon coast. Small, charming, largely undeveloped. I'm glad the bubble burst otherwise developers were going to ruin it.
You ever make it to Portland again and I'll show you a good time of food and drink.
Thank you, my dear...
We shall take you up on your offer the next time we journey to the fair land of Oregon. The only thing that has puzzled me about Oregon is, why are you not allowed to pump your own gas?
Oh, and...
There's no sales tax.
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