Much of the MSM would have us believe there's lots of mystery surrounding Yomama Bahama's cabinet picks. Who will get this job, or that post, or that big position. The answer's are simple. The big jobs will go to the liberals he owes the most to. Not to the most qualified people, but to those who hold Yomama's I.O.U.'s.
So what does giving ex-senator Tom (Mr. Liberal) Daschle the #1 job at the Health Dept. mean? SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! Oops, sorry. I mean Universal Health Care. Liberals don't like names that are too descriptive, especially if they think tax payers won't allow themselves to get suckered into the socialist plane that has failed everywhere it's tried. But since when has the Left let a little thing like failure stop them from spending our money! One thing's for sure, you can bet Daschel's wife's "former" (?) employers will be ecstatic!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/11/transition.wrap/index.html
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EAT ME!
Missy, did you hear me?
E.A.T.... M.E................!
Talk to me gurl. Cumm own talk to me.
Leave that Liberal AIDS receptical alone and talk to me!
Send me an email with a recent picture and I'll send you one of me (such a deal).
Who do I see if the very thought of gub'ment run health care makes me wanna puke?
Because, Steve, you'd rather stick with the status quo and not make any attempt to try something that has worked for many other civilized countries.
You're a cheap bastard with benefits who doesn't give a rip about anyone but yourself. But the minute you find yourself without or in need, you'll run to the government for help.
Seen it a million times.
What has Daschle (on Dancer, on Prancer, on Vixon) been doing for four years out of the senate? Playing 2nd fiddle to his influential wife?
hey HLF, name one country that has socialized medicine where you don't have to wait in line for rationed health care.....
where the rich people don't come to the US of A for their health care so they can "jump the line"
go ahead, I'm waiting
name one........
HLF,
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Canada, France, Italy ,Norway, Sweden, Britain, Iceland, Ireland, Germany............ WHO rankings. But they're probably liberals.
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
LOL, yawn is the last refuge for the clueless.
Say, you aren't the anon with the 151 IQ are you?
Too dumb to pick a name?
HLF - you didn't answer he question - I asked you to name a single country that has socialized medicine,
where the health care is not rationed
oh and name another country where an illegal alien can go to any emergency room and get free health care with no questions asked...
where if the illegal alien is denied health care he can sue for damages...
name one, go ahead
I can't. Health care is rationed everywhere. Other places ration on the ability to wait, we ration on the ability to pay. The difference: those other places you eventually get served.
I don't believe that many rich come here but if they do, of course they get quick care. If you have money, we have great health care. Most people aren't rich.
What's your point? is it that the rich get their needs met immediately? DUH. Or do you think we should all be rich so we all get our every whim catered to immediately?
Also, socialized medicine countries have a system where you can pay on your own if you want. They have no need to come here. But that myth persists like Barney Frank ruining the economy among the brainstem faction of this cesspool country.
The same fears were raised when Medicare was introduced. Now, most could not live without it.
There are always people who resist change especially if the change benefits many people. It's an innate selfishness and greed infecting the lower end of the intellectual spectrum.
But, like cockroaches, there will always be ignorant conservatives.
HLF;
The government is inept. The government is filled with bureaucratic functionaries and actuaries that know about compassion only because they read about it somewhere. The government is expensive and wasteful. The government is mired in bureacracy that chokes every move and decision that it makes with hours of committee meetings and mindless procedure.
They are not answer. Believe me, you might think that you want yourself beholden tot hem on this level, but you do not. I don't know about most of the countries that you listed, simply because my experience is limited to mostly English speaking countries, but I know Canadians come to the US all the time for healthcare,adn I have yet to speak with a Canadian that enjoys the current system up there. It is slow tot he point of almost being non-functional. A guy like myself with debilitating back pain would have to wait minimum 6 weeks to get an MRI to even begin diagnosis, much less start a treatment regimen.
I've been to a hospital in England, and one thing I can definitley tell you, is that it is f-ing near third world quality. The machines still had gauges and dials, instead of buttons and digital readouts, and I've read several articles on the fact that people avoid english hospitals like the plague because the infection control is lacking, to say the least. Despite public health care being "free" in England, private (and quite expensive) clinics are popping up on every street corner, nd people pay big bucks to go there, and the clinics re raking in big time money, because the government system sucks so much.
France is very similar to England in that right, although I've been to France, I've never been to a french hospital, so this is taken from word-of-mouth.
The worst part about government care is that if they choose to not help you, who do you go to? Who can you sue? The federal governemnt? What if they screw up and cut off the wrong leg? WHo do you get reparations from? Want to try and sue the federal government? Try it, then call me back in 20 years and give me an update on how that's working for you.
No, you and I agree that something must be done. The status quo is untenable. We cannot call ourselves a civilized, first world society and then have people being denied essential healthcare.
However, where we part ways is the idea that a government-run system is the answer.
I think that some focus on the following ideas:
1.) Malpractice reform. This is one of the biggest reasons healthcare is so expensive. Doctors are human, and they make mistakes. The result of these mistakes is typically in the millions and tens of millions. Thus, the cost is ridiculously high. Fix the malpractice issue, with possibly some "fixed" prices for common screw-ups, for instance.
2.) Free clinics. The fact that many (40%-ish) cannot afford healthcare should not diminish the healthcare of those that can and do afford it (60%-ish). Thus, free clinics should be set up for the folks that need free healthcare. The standard of care would meet standards that would put it on par with typical clinics, but these would be staffed mostly by interns, with a small staff of residents and an attending or two to watch over and make sure things were done right. These would be funded by a tax on businesses that choose not to provide reduced-cost healthcare to their employees, and also by cutting funding to other programs that would no longer be needed once this free clinic setup was created.
3.) Emergent hospital care, or care beyond the realm of clinical treatment would be referred to a catastrophic care insurance policy set up by the federal government for all of those folks that are currently uninsured.
Anyway, I won't go into big time detail here, I wrote it up a while back in lots of detail, what I think needs to happen. Take a look at it, let me know what you think.
HLF, I just think you would be monumentally displeased with a government run system. i really do. You think HMOs are uncaring and bureacratic...
Listen you high minded motherfucker, I lost EVERYTHING I ever owned because of illness. And it wasn't the fault of the insurance companies.
It was because of the federal government.
They drug their feet for 3 years before my disability was approved. All my private insurances payed the max, never balked, never sent a check late, never had a problem with the doctors diagnosis. They drag their feet on every single thing they touch. Plus, the last thing we need is MORE government intrusion into our lives.
If you want government insurance MOVE somewhere else asshole!! Move to France, move to Canada, move to Japan, move to Sweden!! If you don't like it here MOVE!!
And now don't give me any of your money grubbing conservatives deserve what they get speeches. It doesn't work that way here dumb fuck. Excluding people from things is the work of liberals NOT conservatives.
Too bad your father didn't exclude his dick from that goat, maybe you'd never have been born!!
Steve,
I was wondering when his prancing childish attitude towards all of this would raise your ire. You, above and beyond all of us, have the best idea of what a government run system would be like.
I can't say enough how sorry I am about your predicament, and how it must pain you every time someone comes along telling you that your life would have been better if you ahd just trusted it to the government.
You were forced to do just that, and the result was painfully inevitable.
Don't let HLF get to you, man, you've been through way to much to let him get you down.
LOL, a conservative bitching about getting a hassle for wanting disability?! If it were up to brainstems like you there wouldn't be ANY disability payments!
Do you not realize that it is YOUR PEOPLE who have made it difficult for you to collect your "welfare"?
Speaking as one of you, why should I pay for your life? Do you not have a family, a church? What about that faith-based charity you people always crow about? Did they skip over you?
HILARIOUS! A conservative complaining about not getting to get his gubmint checks fast enough.
FUCKING CLASSIC!
THanks for making my day and giving me more ammunition to stick it to cons who complain about welfare only until THEY NEED HELP!
Oh, and enjoy your WELFARE, leech. Say, what's on TV today? Catching up on yer soaps?
SIMPLY AMAZING!
Hey asshole, Disability pays way less than welfare. Mostly because those of us getting are married to a working person. I'm net eligible for free anything.
Now, if my wife quit working, we'd be able to get all kinds of free shit. All set up. administered and run by the people you want to run the health care system.
Goob, what galls me about this ass wipe is the dual standard. If I'd never worked I'd be his pet project. But because I used to work and want to again, I'm the enemy to everything he stands for.
You wouldn't HAVE disability if conservatives had their way. How do you NOT get that? Your side HATES helping anyone in need. They'd tell you to rely on private charity.
What was your position on disability before you needed it? I'LL BET YOU HATED IT!
You're LUCKY social welfare still EXISTS after 30 years of republican dominance.
Besides, I have a brother who lost the use of one side of his body. He didn't go on disability thought he could. He got retrained and NEVER COLLECTED disability. That is what your side would hold up as the example of what ALL should do and if they can't do that they should rely on family or the church.
It is unbelievable that you would criticize the government for not handing you money on a silver platter when your own ideological cousins have been fighting against any form of collectivist social safety net since the beginning!
I find this one of the most amazing encounters I've ever had with complete hypocrisy.
HLF: As a practicing dentist and with many ties and colleagues in medicine, you are grossly mistaken if you believe anything you have yourself written. A large portion of my practice consists of those people from abroad who have the opportunity to come to the US and gladly pay for my services rather than suffer the sub-standard level of treatment and the grossly inept, understaffed, poorly trained, beaurocrats in labcoats that are now "healthcare providers" rather than "doctors". One of the bes quotes I heard was that the patient waited to be seen for emergency (severe pain) for 5 weeks. By the time he saw a doctor, he forgot which tooth hurt him. Yesterday a patient came in who has been with me for the past 20 years. He told me when he first arrived in Chigago in the early's from the Soviet Union and was screened by doctors and dentists through private charities which sponsored him, he was told what wonderful teeth he had (married male age approx 25 yrs. He was questioned by private dentists who donate time and expertise to this particular charity. He was told what wonderful teeth he had for a Russian! "You must be from Moscow and one of the elite" He responded he was indeed from Moscow and was a university mathematics professor. He was then told, he only neede 3 teeth extracted and a bunch of fillings, plus periodontal surgery prior to needing full mouth rehabilitation.20 years later and I'm still correcting his mouth from the work he had as a child back home. Why? because his jaws are so screwed up and his occlusion is a mess due to the haphazard treatment he received. And that was some of the best!
Who do you think is currently attending med school here in the US? I can guarantee it's no longer the best and the brightest. The most intelligent people no longer compete to get in to med school.
So go ahead. Head to England and cherrio to you.
Steve,
Do not think I am not sympathetic to your loss or diability. I most certainly am. My political feelings have nothing to do with that.
there IS socialed medicine in this country. It just is not yet available to the average American. For those who voluntarily give up half of their rights in order to serve the majority....we get all the socialized medicine we can handle.
For this reason, it took 9 months to get appointments and diagnose what eventually led to a hysterctomy....which would have been unnecessary if it would have been caught 9 months earlier.
For this reason, a very athletic 12 year old only had to wait 2 1/2 months for an EMERGENCY referal to an orthopedic surgeon to repair a knee. Then another 2 months for approval of the surgery. By time the referal was approved she had to undergo surgery to UN-repair what nature did on it's own and then another surgery to actually fix what could have been done with a brace and physical therapy if it would have been done 4 months before.
On the other hand, we could have never afforded all the surgery that my brother has been undergoing since February.
I know BOW will cringe, but I haven't had my teeth cleaned in nearly 5 years. I make it in to the socialized Dentist every year for my annual mandatory checkup, but waiting another 2 months for the cleaning always winds up with a) I forgot about the appointment or b) I'm just too busy to go back again and sit waiting for 8 hours for my "turn".
I now spend about $400 per month on my own private insurance to "subsidize" the socialized medicine I have to start with.
You're LUCKY social welfare still EXISTS after 30 years of republican dominance.
This MFer is delusional!!
I'm sorry, but i don't know who to laugh at more, this liberal fag, or you guys who are allowing it to make fools of you. Can't you see what it's doing? You're arguing with it like it's really paying attention. IT'S HERE TO INCITE YOU! And it's getting off every time you respond!
I could have filed for and been granted Social Security disability and recovered damages against the surgeon and the hospital for negligence due to a botched knee arthroscopy in 1992 that resulted in a case of deep-wound MRSA. I chose to do neither because:
1. I [in time] recovered full functioning of the knee, so I would have felt like a fraud in collecting either disability benefits or an award for damages.
2. The SSA or SSI disability benefit is about $500 per month.
3. The hospital where my surgery was performed was the joint venture partner of the company for whom I was working.
The only provider with whom I had trouble was the TPA who determined medical necessity for home care IV therapy upon my discharge from the hospital. A representative told Jack that it would take a week or more to determine whether the MRSA was a pre-existing condition. Jack told the rep that, "Be advised that if my wife develops septicemia and dies from your incompetence, I'll be a very rich widower." The antibiotics were delivered within two hours.
By the way, the reason I've been away is that I'm having a devil of a time with my right knee [the last one I had replaced]. Nothing shows up on an X-Ray and I can't have an MRI because of all that metal. A bone scan revealed that the prosthesis may have loosened and suggested that it be confirmed by a white blood cell scan. Oh, and in case anyone's interested, my insurer has about a quarter of a million dollars invested in both of my titanium knees. The insurance is a personal policy paid for with after-tax dollars and with no contribution from my employer [me].
Steve is a republican government hater who is mad because the government was slow in giving him support for the rest of his life and I'm delusional?
I'll bet, like most on disability, you're getting Medicare, too.
Yep Steve, that government is BAD. Why, they should have come to your house in a golden coach and delivered you as much money as you wanted from the treasury!
After all, I'm sure the insurance companies did that for you.
Don't forget to cash that check and bitch about how BAD the government is.
I pay for my disability income insurance. I am forced to pay for any employee's disability insurance.
People who feel compelled to state their IQ usually are lying.
Just like when you lied about the hordes of foreigners flying in for your dental services, Dr. Mengele.
People who feel compelled to state their IQ usually are lying.
Just like when you lied about the hordes of foreigners flying in for your dental services, Dr. Mengele.
Is it just me, or does HFL stutter?
And I can't spell. HFL, HLF, same difference.
Last test....126....but that was nearly 20 years ago, and based on the environment I work in, I know it has decreased. I get dumber just breathing the air in california.
Once can certainly get dumber by hanging out on con blogs, that's fer sher.
HLF: Just pointing out that I can understand why a retard like you doesn't get it. What is clear to me is mud to you.
151, just like hi-grade Baccardi
srk-idiot,
Sounds like you may want to tap into that disability pay yourself! Are you covered for mental disability?
The reason you pay for disability insurance is because you are a dentist (a scary thought that people actually allow you that close to them, but I digress) and can be rendered disabled more readily. The rest of us have a harder time proving disability because we don't depend on our hands to make money.
I doubt you are "forced" toi provide disability insurance to workers but perhaps have to offer them that in their group plan.
You could probably cancel all employee coverage and do all the work yourself, cheapass.
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